Anyone that uses Yamaha 3 zone pads and firmware 20220530?

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Anyone that uses Yamaha 3 zone pads and firmware 20220530?

Postby JoeBaermann » Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:27 pm

I have a hard time getting all 3 zones to work with the last couple of firmware updates, attached a screenshot of my Ride pad settings which worked with older firmware version from 2019.
Anyone here that uses Yamaha 3 zone pads with the last update 20220530 that mind sharing their settings?

Currently with 20220530 edge zone triggers the 3rth note (same as mid pad) instead of the edge note.
Using the set all edge and bell on the module farks everything up even further by dampening and leaving dampening enabled, so have to reload my configuration to get back to normal.

Unfortunately I didn't save the working firmware archive where the pads worked flawless, which was before July 2019, probably around 20190602.
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Re: Anyone that uses Yamaha 3 zone pads and firmware 2022053

Postby dmitri » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:12 pm

If hitting the edge triggers the 3rd zone (bell) Note, you need to lower 3rd zone Threshold.
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Re: Anyone that uses Yamaha 3 zone pads and firmware 2022053

Postby JoeBaermann » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:08 pm

dmitri wrote:If hitting the edge triggers the 3rd zone (bell) Note, you need to lower 3rd zone Threshold.

I meant to write bow/head instead, regardless, what ever I do it ends up triggering dampening, and as said, 20190602 was around the last one where my settings did work, so somehow the firmware got changes at some point that completely made my settings for my 4 Yamaha cymbals obsolete.
Maybe a stupid question, but why is there no archive with all firmware releases available like for other soft/hardware?
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Re: Anyone that uses Yamaha 3 zone pads and firmware 2022053

Postby JoeBaermann » Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:09 pm

Just tried again by adjusting gain and thresholds for all zones and got separation to work on 2 pads so far, still need to fine adjust some of the other settings since bell and edge gives false triggering depending on where and how I hit.
Quite some changes in values to get back on track..........
High level is set according to how I like them for these pads, since going as hard as on real cymbals needs a lot of stamina with the weight in those Yamaha's, had to raise it for the bow though.

One good thing, now the 3 pads that have the same size work by using the same settings, previously there where some differences in gain and threshold, always wondered it the pads really could be so different in tolerance.
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Re: Anyone that uses Yamaha 3 zone pads and firmware 2022053

Postby dmitri » Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:38 pm

The 3rd zone Thresholds still look suspiciously high. Normally even 3rd Threshold=0 should work for 3rd zone as the 3rd zone switch makes directly to ground when hit/pressed. What brand/type are these 3way cymbals?
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Re: Anyone that uses Yamaha 3 zone pads and firmware 2022053

Postby JoeBaermann » Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:56 pm

dmitri wrote:The 3rd zone Thresholds still look suspiciously high. Normally even 3rd Threshold=0 should work for 3rd zone as the 3rd zone switch makes directly to ground when hit/pressed. What brand/type are these 3way cymbals?

Yep, why I wrote that the changes are rather drastic considering that the old value working was down at 4.
Yamaha PCY-135 and 155
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Re: Anyone that uses Yamaha 3 zone pads and firmware 2022053

Postby dmitri » Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:17 pm

PCY-135/155 should work fine with low Threshold settings - I test 3 zone functionality with PCY-135. When I'm back at the end of July I will re-test it.
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Re: Anyone that uses Yamaha 3 zone pads and firmware 2022053

Postby JoeBaermann » Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:29 am

dmitri wrote:PCY-135/155 should work fine with low Threshold settings - I test 3 zone functionality with PCY-135. When I'm back at the end of July I will re-test it.

Did you get around re-testing it yet?
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Re: Anyone that uses Yamaha 3 zone pads and firmware 2022053

Postby dmitri » Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:15 pm

Ah, sorry, will re-test it tomorrow.
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Re: Anyone that uses Yamaha 3 zone pads and firmware 2022053

Postby dmitri » Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:13 pm

I re-tested it with PCY135. The 3rd zone Threshold needs to be raised somewhat. With Gain on the Edge at 4, 3rd zone Threshold had to be above 16.
With these settings all 3 zones worked perfectly.
With ExtraFalseSupp disabled:
Screenshot 2022-08-09 at 23.01.21.png

With ExtraFalseSupp enabled (as in your settings):
Screenshot 2022-08-09 at 23.04.20.png


Was getting 3rd zone consistently on both cases.
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